Spring Summer Fall Winter and Spring Again the Buddha Sick Dead Slave
I had turned toward Christianity somewhat simply now was struck past roughshod wellness bug. I was wondering how yous integrate spiritual and God involving notions and abidance by faith with the brutal and unrelenting realities of evil deeds and the seeming relentlessness of illnesses exist alling arbitrarily the virtually innocent . How do you square this with organized religion?
Hi Kilian
I of the questions all wisdom traditions inquire, if not always straight, is how to reply to life as it is. The reality of LIFE is that it requires the sacrifice of life. That is is wonder and horror, its beauty and ugliness. Spring dies to Summertime, Summer dies to Fall, Fall dies to Winter and Winter dies to Spring. There is a time for all things
Jesus suggested that we follow him. Nigh teachings assume that that means following the rules and all will be well. That Jesus condign Christ through his expiry and resurrection died for our failings/sins so that we practice not have to. In my opinion I experience this misses the mark every bit such teachings tend to answer the question of how to respond to life as it it as a No. We broke Life (we broke what G_d created good) just can fix it by following the rules. And we can ready it without having to 'dice' . How many are injure and lose at that place 'faith' when following the rules life still does non adapt to their expectations.
Life is not cleaved!
Jesus clearly answers the question of how to respond to life as information technology is with a unequivocal Aye and includes the cross. includes death. Psychologically/metaphorically every life transition, child to adult to senior involves a kind of death and reresection. One might fence that the reality of every breath nosotros accept involves nascence, death and reresection. Every jiff Christ's breath, and on footstep further Beloved.
No easy task. Our response to the question of how to reply to 'life equally it is' creates so many more questions. Perhaps at the top of the list the problem of Good and Evil which is actually the trouble of opposites (duality).
The knowledge of good and evil is not the same thing as having knowledge of what is good and what is evil in the moment. If we are honest with ourselves we often get it wrong. Note our beginning response to the noesis of good and evil (the problem of opposites) is shame. Shame for being naked (our truthful selves) which nosotros encompass upward with our various personas, projections and illusions.
It is in the tension we experience when against what appear to be opposites that creates consciousness and often depends on the point of which we measure. What is warm and proficient moment is measured as cold and bad in the next…. The toll of awareness of life and poor measurements/judgments, is the loss of the garden, fifty-fifty though nosotros never left information technology. We merely can't see it, or confront information technology, as it is.
Does skilful and evil be as opposites or are they and then interconnected that 1 cannot be separated from the other?
Gautama realizes his Buddhahood as he sits under the tree and is confronted with the wonder and horror of Life as it is. The Buddha response, pointing his finger and touching the ground. Good and Evil dissolve, Duality is a illusion, life is this present moment, Engage it every bit it is. Gautama response a resounding YES to life every bit it is, it wonder and its horror. (As in Christianly many mistake the respond as a No – a nullification of the self turning to a negation of life).
Life is the cycle of life and death and nosotros want to stop spinning and suffering. The irony existence its the reply of No that keeps the cycle (suffering) spinning. Yes, life and death no longer opposites but intimately entangled inside each other dissolve…, The 'All', The void which contains all things, Honey… words disappear. Life is in us and we are in Life.
Point your finger and bear upon the basis, this moment, equally it is, do we dare say Yes? Laugh, cry, sing, shout… (avert the trap of indifference which turn'due south the Yes into a No. ) Yep a detachment from outcomes while being engaged in Life as information technology is. Eyes wide open up.
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The word God is often mistaken for G_d. The finger that points to the moon mistaken for the moon. Words that should be transparent to the transcendent mistaken for what cannot be divisional by words. When you employ the give-and-take God do you imagine a being or beingness itself?
Fright is to courage every bit doubt is to faith. Doubt and religion not opposites but intimately entangled within each other. Some fault organized religion with being sure, however there is a difference in being sure of what y'all recall/believe and acting with a certainty while not knowing. Faith is exercised in times of uncertainty. Tin can you say Yep to dubiety?
We are all of us falling, and so falling let us fall to grace with grace.
Why does the Buddha laugh?
I apologize that the above is so abstract and likely unhelpful.
I have spent and then long saying no to life and trying to prepare information technology. Trying to make life conform to how I idea it should be. Following the rules in hope of a future reward… so never beingness in the moment. Judging, measuring and getting it incorrect more than often so not, Its exhausting.
The claiming today is staying engaged with life and avoiding the trap of indifference. To say Yes, and lean on Yes even when I am uncertain.
You may find the book, "Learning to Autumn: The Blessings of an Imperfect Life" past Philip Simmons, helpful.
Philip found away to say Yes to life and engage information technology even as he was dying.
Now I find myself in tardily August, with the nights cool and the crickets thick in the fields. Already the showtime blighted leaves glow scarlet on the red maples. It's a season of fullness and sweet longings made sweeter now by the fact that I can't be certain I'll see this time of the year again…
We accept all suffered, and will suffer, our own falls. The fall from youthful ideals, the waning of physical strength, the failure of a cherished hope, the loss of our near and love, the fall into injury or sickness, and late or soon, the autumn to our certain ends. We have no selection but to fall, and little say every bit to the time or the means.
Peradventure, nevertheless, we do have some say in the manner of our falling. That is, possibly we have a say in matters of style. Every bit kids we all played the game of leaping from a diving board or dock, and earlier hitting the h2o striking some outrageous or goofy pose: axe-murderer, Washington crossing the Delaware, rabid dog. Mayhap it comes to no more than this. But I'd like to think that learning to fall is more than than merely a matter of posing, more than an opportunity to play it for laughs. In fact, I would have it that in the way of our falling we have the opportunity to express our essential humanity…
Here is where we go wrong. For at its deepest level's life is non a trouble, but a mystery. The stardom, which I borrow from the philosopher Gabriel Marcel, is key: problems are to exist solved, true mysteries are not. Personally, I wish I could have learned this lesson more easily—without, peradventure, having to surrender my tennis game. Just each of u.s. finds his or her own way to mystery. At one fourth dimension or another, each of us confronts an feel then powerful, bewildering, joyous, or terrifying that all our efforts to see it as a "problem" are futile. Each of us is brought to the cliff's edge. At such moments we tin can either back away in bitterness or confusion, or bound forrad into mystery. And what does mystery ask of u.s.a.? Only that we exist in its presence, that we fully, consciously, mitt ourselves over. That is all, and that is everything. We tin can participate in mystery only by letting go of solutions. This letting go is the showtime lesson of falling, and the hardest….
We are all—all of u.s.—falling. We are all, now, this moment, in the midst of that descent, fallen from heights that may now seem only a dimly remembered dream, falling toward a depth we can only imagine, glimpsed beneath the water'due south surface shimmer. And so allow united states pray that if we are falling from grace, love G_d let u.s.a. also fall with grace, to grace. If nosotros are falling toward hurting and weakness, permit united states also fall toward sweetness and strength. If nosotros are falling toward death, let the states also fall toward life.
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Dear Kilian,
I chronicle to your question and your desperation besides. I am not a traditional Christian only I deeply believe in Jesus and have organized religion in God. My feel is that sometimes it's us who contribute to our disease, and once the imbalance in our body & soul is healed, we're healed from the disease too. Merely sometimes it feels it's but unfair, be it an innocent child who gets severely ill, or an accident that leaves the person paralyzed, or even a chronic pain that limits us to relish life (such as in my case).
I practise keep my faith, talk to Jesus on a regular ground, but it's hard. I still oasis't exhausted all options for healing (information technology's my knee), I just need to be patient till the pandemic is over and I can become safely to doctors again. Merely the whole situation is very frustrating and I am not certain what the lesson is backside information technology, except to make me suffer. Job (from the Bible) suffered a lot, but never lost his faith, even after everything was taken away from him. So he would exist a role model, only it's hard…
What is the nature of the illness and suffering that you're facing, if you'd like to share a bit more?
Hi TeaK – I am not a Christian. I was brought upwardly Roman Catholic simply later studying Theology and religion at university I turned to Buddhism. I struggled with the idea of 'suffering' is healthy in Christianity. Buddhism recognises that 'life is suffering' but it offers a self-compassionate way out of that suffering. It makes more sense to me.
I believe in a holistic view of disease. Peace of mind is as important is looking after your physical health. I think whatsoever spiritual path should assistance to bring about that 'Peace of heed' which will have an outcome on the body but I don't necessarily believe that we bring all illness on ourselves.
I accept a chronic wellness condition which I believe is the event of my traumatic babyhood plus a virus I contracted. I manage it the best I can but I would notice information technology and so much harder to live with if I thought it was some form of punishment. I now savour and really appreciate the elementary things in my life. My illness has taught me that. Buddhism teaches u.s. to have life equally information technology is, the good and the bad. Without the suffering, we wouldn't appreciate the joy in life.
Take care.
* Dear Peter:
Cheers for your recent kind words in regard to me on some other thread. I promise that you are reading this postal service, I think that you lot will because the title of this thread is likely to concenter your attention again.
Reading the quote y'all added to your second post on this thread is very meaningful to me this very morning as I sit here, containing the terror I feel most global warming, following the most recent never-before-record loftier heat wave where I live, in the PNW :
"Nosotros have all suffered, and will suffer, our own falls. The autumn from youthful ideals, the waning of concrete forcefulness, the failure of a cherished hope, the loss of our near and dear, the fall into injury or sickness, and late or presently, the fall to our certain ends. We have no choice but to fall, and niggling say equally to the time or the means"-
– Fearing global warming puts the fall from youthful ethics, the failure of cherished promise, and even my own individual death in a new-to-me perspective, as .. nix much in comparison. I am worried that suffering from heat will increment, that more and more people will die because of the oestrus.. leading, in a few decades or then, to the most acute heat-related suffering for the yet-living, and to the great majority of people on earth existence dead, merely a few scattered settlements of people remaining, in the to the lowest degree hot areas, while most of the planet is a lifeless desert. I experience hopeless on the matter because people deny, politics is radicalized.. no stop in sight to the slow death of life on earth, and I can't reverse climate change past .. anything I personally practise.
Back to the quote: "Perhaps, however, we practice take some say in the manner of our falling… In fact, I would take it that in the way of our falling we have the opportunity to express our essential humanity"- this speaks to me a lot.
Can y'all tell me, Peter, what you lot think nigh global warming/ climatic change.. virtually what to me is very articulate, which I described correct higher up.. any suggestions for me?
anita
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